Full Frontal Archie
Plus: Early Comic Book Cave Drawings And The Craziest Story Pitch In Marvel History.
As promised, I'll be answering some of your questions today. There are already enough to fill several newsletters, so moving forward, I'll make this a running segment. That said, if you find that I haven't gotten to yours in a reasonable time, it's probably becauseā¦
1- Your questions sparked an idea for a future newsletter (or video), in which case, thank you!
2- You're psychic or hacking my computer like good ol' Dave here, who asked a question that was either already answered or will be answered in one of my newsletters
Letās kick todayās column off with a question from Adam:
Adam Ming- How much fun is it for you to do a newsletter
Heh! Let me show you.
The Cave
I had just begun working on The Ray for DC in the summer of 1991 when a fantastic opportunity came my way. My "cousin," who was moving out of NYC, asked me if I'd be interested in her apartment in downtown Manhattan. Since we were "related," she'd gladly sign over herĀ rent-controlled leaseĀ to me for $1400.
In her defense, she had just done $1400 worth of renovation work on the place and wanted to recoup her investment. But that was a lot of money at the time and almost the entirety of my bank account. So, before making the deal, I went over to look at the place.
The building was a run-down, walk-up built in 1900. The staircase listed so severely that I felt drunk and uneasy as the steps groaned underneath me.
The apartment was a small railroad studio, dingy and dark despite having six windows, two of which faced the street. The other four had blackout shades that covered up this glorious view.
In the center of the place was my "cousin's" major renovation expense, a hefty loft bed so close to the ceiling that two and a half feet were the only thing that stood between the mattress and a skull fracture.
The kitchen was tiny, but hell, who cares? I was single, and outside of the fridge, I didn't have much use for it. But it was a grand ballroom compared to a bathroom so small that you couldn't sit on the throne without your knees scraping up against the bathtub.
It had a nonworking, white-washed brick fireplace mantle in the living area, and, except for the kitchen (Formica) and bathroom (tile), the apartment's signature aesthetic showpiece was that it was covered in wall-to-wall, unpadded industrial gray carpet.
It was the most beautiful place I had ever seen.
I set up my small studio underneath the loft bed, where over the next 8 years, I drew every single project from The Ray to Ash.
She Clearly Lost A Bet
Sometime around 1996, I started dating a young gal by the name of Nanci Dakesian. Nanci was a professional comic artist and editor since 1983 and, at that time, the Managing Editor of Archie's entire line of Digest books, which were quietly the most profitable comics in the industry. She also did a ton of ghost-inking on the side for the legendary Dan Decarlo.
For those unfamiliar with Dan's work, depending on who you ask, he was the most influential Archie artist of all time, or at the least, top three. For Nanci, there was no question where he stood, and getting to meet and work with her artistic idol was a dream come true. Dan wasn't just her mentor, he became a second father, and I was already suspecting someone whose approval I'd need if our relationship was ever to go further.
Teen Fashion Morgue
As we grew more serious, Nanci would spend more and more time at the Cave. On the nights she stayed over, she always had a stack of Dan Decarlo penciled pages that had to be inked for the next day. We both had very different schedules. She was asleep by 9:00 pm while I worked on average until 3:00 am. At 4:00 am, she'd be up inking, and by the time I staggered awake at 8:00 am, Nanci was already at the Archie offices. The hours were ideal because we never had to fight over the drafting table. And, more importantly, while she slept, I had the opportunity to study a fresh batch of Dan Decarlo penciled pages that were always left by the side of my desk.
I was in awe of Dan's economy of line, something that, to this day, I have yet to master. But what I found most unique was that he drew every character naked. No, not likeĀ that -Ā that would be juvenile. There were no anatomical bits, just the character's forms as if they were Barbie and Ken dolls, though admittedly, seeing Mr. Weatherbee like that was the stuff of nightmares.
Because he wanted to ensure his art resonated with the young readers it was intended for, Dan was always buying the latest teen magazines and kept an extensiveĀ fashion morgue. He would then use this reference and add the clothing to the naked structure drawings. At the age of 77, Dan had a better grasp than me of not just current fashion but all the upcoming trends.
Reggie Manscapes
Every night after Nanci went to bed, I would look over Dan's latest pencils. Then one evening before calling it a night, I was feeling a bit mischievous, and in very light pencil, I doodled on one of his pages. No, not naughty parts! How immature do you think I am? I added word balloons with loving messages for Nance to read in the morning.
It took a couple of weeks before I got the nerve to draw a giant dong on Archie.
Nanci didn't find the same humor in it that I did, so, of course, each subsequent night, I went further and further. It was harmless fun since she erased the pencils on the pages after inking them, and no one was the wiser.
Until the day that Dan picked up the inked pages before she had the chance to erase them. He was shocked at what his sweet innocent Nanci had done to his pencils. Embarrassed beyond words, she ratted me out.
"It wasn't me. It was my boyfriend."
"You're boyfriend?"
"Yes. He's a bit of an idiot."
Dan took a long pause. Nanci wasn't sure if it was because he was surprised that she had a boyfriend and hadn't told him yet, or if it was the anatomically correct Riverdale cast staring back at him.
Dan smiled and started laughing.
"I like this guy!"
Nanci and I got married 3 years later.
Any Questions?
Bobby Swift- Looking at all of the companies youāve done work for, which one was the most strict or easiest to do work for?
Bobby, every company is different, and each has its pros and cons. Itās also a matter of who youāre working with. If you have a great editor, they can shield you from some of the internal craziness. On the flip side, a poor editor could actually make life at a company feel more difficult than it actually needs to be.
Speaking of whichā¦
Tom Brevoort- Iāve heard todayās story from you before in person, but not the part about Domingo. Which is a real shame. Iādāve been calling you Domingo for years.
Are you referring to this story? See, my mom was right!
By the way, if you want to read a newsletter by one of the finest editors in the comics biz, check out Tomās Substack Man With A Hat.
Chip Zdarsky- only one question thanks: can i borrow twenty bucks until payday? I swear I'm good for it
Chip, remember what happened the last time you borrowed money from me? Iāll tell you what, if you comp me a subscription to your newsletter, Iāll think about it.
The Night Nerd- I'd like to know about pitches. What's the craziest one you heard and approved? What do you feel is the best pitch you've done personally? Any pointers?
Hey, Night Nerd, long before I was Editor in Chief, in the bullpen, in a filing cabinet filled with the craziest pitches ever submitted, was a fully drawn, colored in crayon fan submissionā¦
Jesus vs. The Silver Surfer.
I couldnāt tell you who won because they teamed up in the middle of the story to fight the Planet of the Apes.
I also couldnāt tell you for certain that if I had mentioned it to Bill Jemas during the early days of my tenure, we wouldnāt have published it.
As for pointers on how to construct a proper pitch? Thank you, thatās a great idea for a future newsletter. Stand by.
Zach Rabiroff- What's the best pizza in Queens, and how can it possibly compare to the wonder of L&B Spumoni Gardens in Brooklyn?
Zach, youāre treading on very dangerous ground when you ask a fellow New Yorker about pizza.
First, I think we can both agree that the glory days of New York street corner pizza are over, especially in Manhattan. Thankfully, legendary spots like Spumoni Gardens are still around. But hereās the thing, it doesnāt make my list. I love a good Sicilian square, and they make theirs with the sauce on top of the cheese. I know, somewhere, Frank Tieri is screaming at me while heās waiting on his never-ending breadsticks from the back of an Olive Garden, but Iām a cheese-on-top-of-the-sauce kind of guy.
I havenāt been there in about six years, but the last best Sicilian slice I had in NYC was at Rosaās Pizza, 62-65 Fresh Pond Rd, Queens, NY 11385.
Now Iām hungry. Thanks for nuthinā
richard vaux- Will you be doing a Millar Time interview? Youāre referenced in a fair few of them in fond terms. Iām a fan since your DC Ray days, thank you for your work.
Richard, Richard, Richard. The question is, will Mark ever do a Joe Quesadaās Drawing The Line Somewhere interview?
Hmmm, maybe Mark and I can do a multipart crossover. Two episodes here and the other two on--
What was his show called again?
Douglas Leftridge- Any good funny stories immediately come to mind about our mutual buddy, Jimmy Palmiotti, that you can share (without incriminating him š )??
Hey, Douglas, hmmmm, nope. Not really.
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Thanks for reading.
Youāre Amazing!
JQ
Loving the newsletter, Joe!
If you get a chance to put that "How To Write a Pitch" piece together, I have a series of blogposts that quite a few editors over the years have told me they've sent to prospective writers as a solid resource on the topic. Here's Part 1 (of 4): http://www.jimzub.com/here-comes-the-pitch-part-one/
I got to visit you in that apartment when you did the cover for Bloodshot 0. I thought it was cool. You were in NYC! I was out in Jersey City. :)
I have some wonderful memories with you, Joe.
I was with you and Rubinstein when you showed your work to DC in 1990 or 1991ābefore you got The Ray.
I was blown away when you did covers for books I was writingālike Solar, Man of the Atom with St.Patrickās Cathedral on it.
Watching you draw was special.
I called you and Jimmy to congratulate you when MTV covered you guys.
I never felt we got to be close, but Iāve always thought of you as one of the most genuinely talented and skilled people Iāve ever known and I love seeing the stuff youāre doing these days.